S2 E5: Stories of Resilience and Leadership, with Peter Savas
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Peter G. Savas Chairman & CEO of Like MindsMr. Savas brings over 30 years of experience in executive leadership positions across life sciences. He was CEO of Alseres Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Chairman and CEO of Aderis Pharmaceuticals, developer of the Neupro® transdermal patch marketed worldwide to treat Parkinson’s disease and Restless Legs Syndrome and Chairman and CEO of Unisyn, a cGMP contract manufacturer of biologics for clinical trials. Peter also held executive and operating leadership positions with Bristol Myers, Waters, Millipore, Genex and Zymark. With a personal mission for entrepreneurism and pursuing advancement in neurologic science, Peter bridges strategic and operational healthcare experience with broad access to industry, academia, regulatory and capital markets leaders. Peter holds a BS in Chemistry from Syracuse University and is credentialed as a Professional Director by the American College of Corporate Directors. https://likeminds.com/
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Seeing the big picture and then breaking apart the pieces to see how to practically move forward is a way to get started.
An appropriate amount of support, trust, and grace from parents can help foster risk-taking, so long as the risk is not about hurting oneself or others.
Being a young boy without a dad, it can lead to internal frustration and irritability.
One of the most important things a coach, teacher, and mentor can do is to show interest in and appreciation of each individual. By figuring out how to set each individual up for success by aligning with their strengths and showing them a very clear path toward improvement with a genuine and reasonable explanation.
It can be difficult to accept when the path we want to take is not aligned with our strengths and there is disappointment; however, we can appreciate using our strengths in a positive, joyful, and meaningful way. This can take time and effort to get to this point. Acceptance can open ourselves up to adapting.
A mutual respect between child-parent and employer-employee and leader-team allows for great things to unfold.
Being courageous and open enough to ask questions, seek support, and admit what you don’t know so you can find ways to learn is a great way to move forward despite the uncertainty and doubt.
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Alexis Reid 00:21
Welcome back to the Reid Connect-Ed podcast. Gerald and I are joined today by Peter Savas, who's the CEO of Like Minds, which is a brain health company here in Boston, Massachusetts. And we're privileged to have him not only as a friend, but also as a neighbor in our office here in Boston, which is really wonderful. And he's here today with his dog Ollie, who is like the office mascot, which we're really happy to share. So welcome, Peter.
Peter Savas 00:49
Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.
Alexis Reid 00:51
Yeah, for sure.
Gerald Reid 00:52
We're so happy to have you, Peter. I was just having lunch in the office space. And the gentleman from Stem Wave, were just around. And I mentioned that we're going to interview you. And they both said the same thing. Peter is one of the my favorite human beings on this earth. So we're happy to have you here.
Peter Savas 01:09
Well, thanks, I'm, I'm delighted to be part of it.
Alexis Reid 01:13
So Peter, over the years that we've known each other, I feel so honored to get to have some really beautiful banter, in the hallway or in between sessions. And as we catch each other in our busy days. And I've just been so struck by some of the stories that you've shared not only about your own life, but also about some of the incredible adventures you've been on. And we wanted to have you here today, because this season especially is about, you know, finding our own version of excellence in life and recognizing that that path might not always be a straight one, or a typical one. And sometimes it takes a lot of trials, tribulations challenges, and, you know, different stumbling blocks that often help us to get to where we are. And I think, I don't know many other people who have more incredible stories than yours. So I'm looking forward to sharing that with our audience today. So start us off, you know, you can go all the way back to the beginning if you want, but I think, you know, thinking about development and knowing that, you know, I teach a course on child development, and Jerry and I are in the mental health world and educational world. Thinking back to your childhood, I think that was definitely a foundation for where things started, obviously, but also a lot of gratitude and reflection for some of those points in your life that you experienced.
Peter Savas 02:32
Sure, well, very true. So he heard it does all begin with our, our childhood. Yeah, I got to thinking a little bit about some of the stories and you're right, I think I have an endless list of these things. I think I've been very, very lucky. But I was thinking about which of these stories might have some relevance and might help some of the people that you work with. And so one of the first ones that occurred to me, happened when I was extremely young. I was I think 11 years old. And my dad had died when I was little. So my brother, my sister, and I were being raised by a single mom, who was a school teacher. And we were always trying to please her because she worked so hard. And I remember one Friday night, she was heading out to a parent teacher conference. And on her way out the door, she said that she was really, really upset with our kitchen, and that the kitchen was so dated and just so awful, and that she really wanted to have a new kitchen. And with that she left left the house and I've looked at my brother and sister and said, Well, I think we need to mill we need to make a new kitchen here. And the two of them. They were younger than I was. So of course I was the senior figure here.
Alexis:
And at the ripe age of 11
Peter Savas
At the ripe age of 11. And so what we did is we took all of the glasses and cups and saucers and dishes and everything and all the silver. Everything out of all the cabinets in the kitchen and we bent we after we emptied everything out. I went down to the basement and I found hammers and crowbars and stuff. And we proceeded to remove the entire kitchen. We took everything, everything out. (laughter) And then the house was about, oh, I'd say 20 feet 30 feet from the garage. And between the house in the garage was a patio. So we thought, well, what are we going to do with all this cabinetry that we totally destroyed by the way?
So we took all the cabinetry and we dumped it all out on the patio, and we were tired. We were young kids. And so of course we all went to bed. And I remember being asleep sound asleep and my mom coming into the room. And she shook me to wake me up a little bit. She said Peter I can't help but notice that my kitchen is gone, and that my cabinets are gone and that all of our stuff is all over the floor of the dining room. What happened? And I looked at her, and I was still sleeping. And I said, Well, you said you needed a new kitchen. And I thought, well, what, what more could we do than to build you a new kitchen? And so she said, really? And she said, Do you know how to do this? I said, Oh, yeah, I've got it all figured out. She said, alright, we'll talk about it in the morning. And I and I thought, now that I'm a lot older, and I have my own kids, I'm not sure that I could have ever been so composed. But the next morning, we got up and she's making breakfast of sorts, we had nothing to eat on. And she said, so about my kitchen, what are we going to do? And I said, Well, I have to have a tool. And she said, What tool is that you need to build a kitchen at 11 years old?
And I said, What I need is a saber saw from Sears and Roebuck I need a craftsman saber saw. And she said really? Anything else I said, Nope, that's it. And so she would jumped in the car and she drove to Sears. And we got the saber saw. And that really was the beginning of it. And we came back to the house and I I drew a line on the floor with chalk because she was a schoolteacher, we had lots of chalk and I drew exactly what I wanted to do. And from there, it kind of evolved into a project but she took me to the lumberyard and I bought the lumber and I did all the stuff. And then eventually, it took a while took me maybe as long as contractors under COVID. But I was able to get it done. And the kitchen actually was there until about 10 years ago, and I'm I got ripped out. But anyway, so that was kind of the story of the kitchen.
But the lesson in all of this, I think for me as a kid was my mom always encouraged me to take to try things. And you know, I think that that for me, I was fearless was just no harm, no foul. And at the same time. What was remarkable was her composure towards us why she didn't explode, I think if I came home and I found my kitchen, in the backyard, I'm not so sure that I would have been able to be that calm and collected about the whole thing. But that to me was marvelous, marvelous, marvelous, marvelous way to handle me and certainly encouraged me to try more things.
Alexis Reid 07:32
Talk about a foundation, from what I've learned about you over the years of knowing you is that you're really good about seeing the big picture, seeing something you think is possible, figuring out how to break it apart, breaking it down, and then build it back up again. It's so amazing. And it started back when you were 11 years old. And, you know, I work with a lot of younger learners, as you know, sometimes that they might have these big ideas, but they don't always fit into the learning environments that they're working within or the homes that they're in. And they sometimes get shut down for thinking big and thinking creatively. And you know, what a different path. Maybe you would have ended up on if your mom had said, you know, what are you doing? You can't do this.
Peter Savas Right.
Gerald Reid 08:19
So Peter, that's an incredible story. And the grace that your mom had is incredible. And we've had guests on this podcast this season. There's always this theme of compassionate and strong, caring women as mother figures and like it's kind of strange, actually. Alexis, how that's happened. The people that we have gotten to know and over the years that have been on the podcast this season have had some that stands out to me, though, how did you know what a saber saw is? I don't think there was YouTube back then.
Peter Savas 08:54
There was no YouTube? Well, the reason I knew about a saber saw is that one of my friend's dad's had a workshop and he had all these really cool tools. And the one that fascinated me the most was the saber saw. And so that was the only reason I knew what it was. Otherwise, I would have had no clue. But I will tell you I was so excited to go to Sears and get one this was like a dream come true for me. So
Alexis Reid 09:19
I can't believe you're what your mom got it for you. Exactly. Amazing. Yeah.
Gerald Reid 09:23
So when you were doing that was it like it I'm feeling this sense of like joy and purpose and like energy, not really any fear, guilt or shame attached to it. And we talked to other you know, talked to a very elite athlete about like, when she was younger, she felt that way when she was growing up when she was doing her sport. And I'm just wondering, like, what did that feel like that you dive into something and you also can't sometimes feel that way. Now as you're older, that same type of feeling where you're like, I'm just gonna go do this. There's no fear or guilt or shame attached to it. I'm just gonna jump into it.
Peter Savas 09:56
Funny you bring that up. So, so you're right. It was euphoric. It will was really empowering to me. I think the trust that was expressed by my mom said, Okay, go ahead and do it. And I think that, as I dial back now in time, to all of the different things that she did over the years to encourage me to take risk was unbelievable. just phenomenal. And I, and at one point, I asked her, I said, so looking back at our life, what were the things you think about because I did some really, really crazy stuff? And she said, Well, I made a decision. What I thought about was whether or not you could hurt yourself or hurt somebody else. And I was pretty concerned that I wouldn't let you do it. But if I really was confident, that is a pretty good chance, you're gonna get hurt, and you're going to hurt anybody else. She said, What better way to learn.
Gerald Reid 10:47
That's amazing what a great message.
Peter Savas 10:51
She was, she was,
Gerald Reid 10:53
I love that. And the other part of that story I love, Peter, is that you did it in honor of your mom who like, you know, he felt like sacrificed a lot for you. What a beautiful thing, like your intentions were very pure and good. It sounds like
Peter Savas 11:07
very true. I think my brother, my sister, and I really, really did understand it back then. What it was like for her to do this by herself, because all of our friends had moms and dads. And we had a mom. And then somehow she made I don't know how she did it. But she made it all happen. It was pretty remarkable. And we did appreciate it. We did understand.
Alexis Reid 11:29
wow. To show up every day to teach other children to what a beautiful person or ritual. Yeah. It's amazing. And I was laughing to myself a little as you're telling the story, that your mom wanted something and you're like, yeah, she doesn't ask for anything. We're gonna make this happen. I joke all the time. The people that are closest to me know this about me that you got to be careful what you wish for, say you want me to write because it usually just happens.
Gerald Reid 11:54
You guys have good hearts. So tell us a little bit about kind of moving forward. You mentioned a few stories earlier, before we came on the show about just influential mentors in your life and people starting early on. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Peter Savas 12:12
Sure. So I as, as often happens, I think young boys who don't have a dad, I think we actually get pretty frustrated. And so and I know there's lots of kids that are dealing with that situation. And I think what it led me to be was grumpy a lot of the time because all of my friends had their dads at their sports events and other kinds of things. And I didn't have one. And my mom thought, well, what am I going to do about this? And, and what she wound up doing was sending me off to a boarding school. And this was for high school. And so and I was a pretty good football player, pretty good swimmer and whatnot, pretty good athlete. And so the school accepted me. And my grades were good. My sports were good. But my attitude wasn't very good. That was a problem.
And I think a lot of that stems from having grown up without a father. And it was so bad, however, that for my first year at the school, I had to prove that I could control myself. And I was actually required to live with the chaplain, the Minister. I wasn't allowed to live in a dormitory with everybody else. And it turns out that I went in a little bit early for preseason football. And there was this remarkable football coach. And I think we don't often quite have this kind of luck. But the coach that was there at the time, watched me play.
And he watched for the first two weeks before the season began. And after about two weeks of it, he pulled me aside and he was very calm and very balanced. And he said, Savas, I said, Yes, sir. He said, You're nowhere near as good as you think you are. And that was not the way I thought this was going to start. And he said, Are you any good at math? I said, Yes, I am. And he said, How many people on the field? I said, 22. How many on offense? I said 11. He said, Very good. Nice, job. No place for you on offense. I thought Oh, no. And he said that so there's many positions left again, I said 11. He said you're big, but you're not big enough to be on the line as five of those guys, how many positions are left? And I said six. He said you're bigger than the three guys in the back. But you're slow. We need people back there who are kind of fast, so I can't see any role for you in the back. And I was pretty discouraged. And he said so how many are left I said three. And he said outside linebackers have to chase down receivers.
And by the way, I think you're slow So how many positions are left and I said, one. And he said, if you're willing to get really good at that job, and if you trust my judgment, you trust me, he said, I'm suggesting that's the right role for you, that's right set of responsibilities for you, then you're going to get to play. And you'll do well. I said, if you don't agree with me, and you don't want to take my advice, as your coach, you're going to sit on that bench for the next four years.
And I listened. I paid attention. That's very true. And, and so that turned out to be the first experience I had with a coach. And I think it's so important that when we play sports, that we listen very carefully, and these coaches really do know what they're talking about. But that helped me learn how to value the coach, but not only from a sports point of view, but in every other aspect, particularly want to get into work. So that was just one of those life lessons from school.
Gerald Reid 15:54
Wow, that's unbelievable that he cared enough to want to set you up for success. And took the time to figure that out. To give you the choice to make and to empower you to choose that. To choose your path. Wow.
Alexis Reid 16:11
Yeah, I was actually thinking to that, how, what a great example that is to share, not to just say, this is your position, this is what you're gonna do, but why he thinks some position for you. And kind of like what you need to do, to succeed, being so explicit is so important. And that probably paved a better path for you to be able to practice and to push yourself and to fit that role that maybe you already had inside of you, you probably were naturally doing. But now you are honing your craft to be even better
Peter Savas
Right, very true.
Gerald Reid 16:47
What did that feel like for you?
Peter Savas 16:50
Well, to be honest, at first, I was a little disappointed, because I think I saw myself playing maybe some other positions. But then what I did realize was that if I focused on that one position, and I and I focused on being really, really good at that one position that would play out. And as it turns out, that I was also a swimmer. And it turns out to have four basic strokes. And it turns out that as I thought about the four strokes, the one stroke that I was really good at was a breast stroke. The other three strokes not so good. And so I took the lesson I learned in football in the fall, and in the winter for the swimming season, I focused on the breaststroke. And I got really good at the breaststroke in deference to the three strokes and, and again, that helped me both in high school and college. So again, it's a question of focus.
And then in the spring, it comes back again, because it turns out and spring sports. I think, as we heard a minute ago, I was not very fast. So my, my prospects, the prospects for being part of the track team were pretty limited, that was not going to happen. And so track wasn't going to be my sport. And I wasn't particularly good at baseball, and and very lucky for me, the school decided to put in place a crew team crew sport rowing, and I was pretty good size. And I was pretty strong. And so rowing is something that, you know, it's not too hard to do, it's hard to do well, but it's not too hard to do. And so I wound up rowing crew for the boarding school, when I went on to row crew and college and played a bit of football,
Alexis Reid 18:37
I want to I want to double back on that for a second. Because first of all, we're gonna go down the crew road in a moment. But I also want to just focus in on how you recognized your strengths and your areas that probably weren’t as strong or as developed as others. And, I think today, I see a lot at least of young people who have talents and interests that are so broad and wide, and they want to do everything, they want to do everything as perfectly and well as possible. And they spread themselves really thin.
And sometimes parents for better for worse will kind of like push them to get the training the coaches, the clinics or whatever it is to help them to be the best that they could, which is a wonderful thing. But I also think there's such a benefit to what you were saying, you know, recognizing what you're good at, recognizing what you enjoy, recognizing what brings you that peace and focus. Because if you're you don't have great skills, it's hard to focus in. And I see that so often that you know, when you're not really great at something that's often where people get dysregulated or frustrated or unfocused versus just, you know, turning on and off, which is not actually the case in our human brains to be able to do that at this stage of life at least. So I think there's so much value in what you said about you finding what you're good at honing your craft and focusing in not trying to do everything, but trying to do the things you choose to do really well.
Peter Savas 20:09
Very true. And it's also I think, learning to be happy about doing what you're good at. It's not having all of this Gosh, I wish, I wish I wish stuff. It's about, okay, this is what seems to work for me. So whether it's pulling out an oar or the particular swimming routine that I would like to do, it was taking satisfaction in that it was actually enjoying it. And sometimes that takes a little bit of effort. Yeah, not say, Gosh, I wish I could do this and wasting a lot of time.
Alexis Reid 20:43
Yeah, Jerry and I talk about this so often for ourselves, and also for our clients that sometimes we have a sense of gratitude for the opportunities we have and natural abilities to being able to put those pieces together is such an amazing privilege and opportunity. And when people are or ourselves can kind of do that and do it with purpose, instead of just doing it because you think you have to or because you're comparing yourself to somebody else, that it transcends the experience and makes it something that's so valuable and meaningful and often transcendent in somebody's life.
Peter Savas 21:16
Yeah. Well, it's certainly played all the way through college and then led to, you know, graduating and then now what do you do? Right, but
Alexis Reid 21:24
yeah, well, we'll come back to that. I want to go back to crew because Gerald doesn't really say much about this. But he was also on the crew team at USD. And I don't know, do you mind quickly sharing how you found crew because it was, it wasn't because you're like, oh, I want to be a rower. Because we didn't really grow up when we were younger, in New Jersey with rowing as a thing, we didn't really know much about it.
Gerald Reid 21:48
I don't know how much you want to save this because I was on the team for three quarters of the season. Like I couldn't breathe. And I always thought I was just out of shape. But it turns out years later, I found out that I have number one sports induced asthma and number two, a nasal valve collapse, meaning that I don't get air through my nose. So I really wonder how good of an athlete I could have been if I had more air coming through my neck.
But, you know, the thing I want to say to you about to Peter is bringing up to is the adaptability. And to be resilient, I think you have to be adaptable. And it's not an easy process. Like you said, sometimes it takes a lot of acceptance, acceptance is one of the hardest things to do in life. You know, probably you probably know that better than anybody you know, losing your father. Acceptance is one of the hardest things to do in life. But sometimes it is the answer that we need to be able to adapt and to continue forward. So just want to point that out. And you know, if you want to share more about that, or even just you know how you continue that path in college about adapting because you had mentioned something about your professors saying something to you, that really kind of shifted your gears a little bit.
Peter Savas 22:58
Yeah, so Well, it's just I didn't realize that you had asthma. So I oddly enough, I had asthma as a kid. And when I went off to boarding school, it literally went away. No reason why nobody understood why. But prior to going to that school, I would wind up with these asthma attacks. And for some reason, the last one I had I think was when I was 13 years old, I never had another one. And it was it was just this phenomenon that we didn't understand is why did he go away, which was really great, because it opened up all the doors for sports. But I will tell you that because of the asthma, I spent a lot of time at the doctor's. And that led me to believe that what I wanted to do when I grew up, I grew up as I wanted to be a scientist because I thought being a doctor, you just treat one person at a time. If I could be a scientist, I could come up with products that would treat millions of people and that would seem to me to be more important than one at a time.
So I wanted to be a scientist, that was exactly what I was going to do. So when I went to Syracuse, I studied chemistry, but I also studied business just because why not? And as it turns out, as I sort of trudged through my university experience between the sports and the studies. There was a teacher who stood out in my mind that was phenomenal in the business school. His name was Stanley Simer. And he wrote this marvelous book about organization and management. And I loved his class and I spent a lot of time talking to this guy off campus. We would just sit and chat about it. And finally one day he said, Well, he said, I don't ever think you're going to be much of a chemist. He said, I just don't know that that's really the right gig for you. He said, You seem to be is really in love with organization management concepts. And you might want to think about that.
Well, that's stuck in the back of my brain. But that having been said, when I wrapped up my work at Syracuse, I went to work for Bristol Myers. And Bristol Myers, of course, I went to work in research and thought I was going to push back the frontiers of science, which of course I didn't, at the time, but um, but there's a story about that first job at Bristol Myers that I think is pretty remarkable, because it was a lesson to me about what it means to have a great boss and to be a great boss, I can tell that if you’d like
Alexis Reid 25:39
Probably one of my favorite stories of all time that I've ever heard, please do.
Peter Savas 25:43
All right, so I had this absolutely wonderful boss, he was terrific. His name was Dalton. And he for whatever reason, took a liking to me. And I started with him in the right after school. So I guess it would have been in the June timeframe.
Alexis Reid
And what year was this?
Peter Savas
Oh, I don't know. I don't want to date myself. But I think the Ice Age was over.
But anyway. I started around the June timeframe. And I worked like a maniac, because that's all I knew how to do was just work. So I worked and worked and worked and worked and worked until March, about nine months later.
And I had a girlfriend and my girlfriend and I decided that what we wanted to do was to go see the United States, all as much of it as possible on a motorcycle. And so I walked into Don's office and told him that I was going to have to go to see the United States. And he said, This is something you have to do. I said, Yeah. Why are you doing that? I said, well, because my girlfriend and I want to do it. And he kind of talked me out of it. I said nope. He said, can you tell me when you want to leave? I said, Yep, we're gonna leave on June 1. And he said, Ah, and when you're going to come back, I said, gonna come back on September 30. And he said, you're going to be gone for four months. I said, yep.
And he said, Well, you're sure he needs to do this. I said, Yeah, I'm positive. He said, I can't promise that there'll be a job for you when you get back. I said, Well, I understand that, but this is something we have to do. And so I went to New York, I got this motorcycle, and I brought it back up to Syracuse, which is where I was working at Bristol. And my boss asked if I needed anything, and I said, Yeah, I would love to have this stainless steel thing put on the back of the motorcycle so that I could strap my stuff to it. And so that my girlfriend could have some straps, so she wasn't bought wouldn't fall off the back of it wasn't likely to fall off. And he had the machine shop do all that for me, at Bristol.
And so sure enough, June 1 rolled around and off we went. And we did the northern states and down the West Coast, and we did the southern states. And by the end of September, we were back and I went back into Bristol Myers, and September 30th or there abouts and I walked into my boss's office in the Daltons office. And as I walked in the door, I gave him a little wave and he said, How are you? I said, I'm good. And he said, How was your trip? I told him and he asked me a lot of questions like he was interested. And at the end of the whole thing, he said, Well, he said, Would you would you want your job back? I said, Sure.
And he said really? So they said Do you remember your locker number? I said, yep. Do you remember the combination to your locker? Yep. He said, Go to your locker, put your lab coat on and get back to work. So I thought, wow, this is great. So I did I went to my locker, I opened my locker and in the bottom of my locker was a shoe box. From I thought I don't remember lever a shoe box in my locker. So I took the shoe box out and I opened it up and they're in the shoe box where my pay envelopes for every week I was gone. I mean, I had I had no idea. So I thought hmm. So I closed the shoe box, like close the locker. And I walked down to my boss's office and I said, I found a shoe box in my locker. He said yeah, I know. And I said there's pay envelopes in that box for every week that I was gone. And he said, Yeah, no, I get it. And he said, Well, if I had told headquarters, you weren't here, I wouldn't be able to hire you back and I really wanted you back. And I said, Wow, that was a mind blowing moment. That was for me incredible that he would have done that for me. And of course I was thrilled.
But I felt guilty and I said, Well I feel terrible. I said I never earned that money. And he looked at me and he smiled at me sort of while you're gonna. So suffice to say, I didn't ask for overtime for quite a while. But anyway. But can you imagine, here I am in my early 20s, to have somebody do something like that for you and set that sort of example.
But there's actually something I may not have told you. And that is that about 10 years ago, I got to thinking to myself, I wonder whatever happened to my boss, and so I hired a private detective to track him down. And Detective found that he had passed away, but his wife was still alive. And his four children were still alive. And we actually put together a conference call, so I could tell his family what he had done. It was great fun. Yeah, it was very cool.
But, you know, all good things kind of came to an end. So what happened was, I loved working for this guy. But it really was clear that I was not going to be a scientist, this is not happening. So I mentioned that to him. And out of the blue, a little company, not outside, not far from Boston, had reached out to me and asked me if I would consider coming in to interview with them. So I thought, well, I might think about it. And they were looking for a sales rep. And I thought, I'm a scientist I can’t be a… I was actually listed as a senior scientists, even though I was like, 22 years old.
And but I thought, well, I go look into it. And I decided that wanted to try it. So I, I went back to my boss and told him I was going to take a cut and pay to go work as a sales rep. And he said, This is the same guy. And he said, I understand. He said, I think you should chase your dream, I will give you a one year leave of absence. So he said that, if you if you come back in 364 days, you're gonna have your job back. If not, that's it. So I did leave, I did go to be a sales rep. And that changed my life. That's what got me out of the laboratory into the business side of things. I feel like I'm doing all the talking here.
Gerald Reid 32:17
I have a question term. My job is to ask questions every day. So I have a question for you. You must have impressed something upon that gentleman that wanted to keep you in his workplace. What was that? What did he admire or respect or value in you working for him that led him to feel that way and act that way towards you think?
Peter Savas 32:41
Oh, I think I think maybe first and foremost work ethic. That was something that was taught to me by my mom, it was about, you know, you're not done till you're done. And so I was very deliberate about if I made a promise to do something that I would get it done. I think that I got along with everybody. So I think that was something that I learned from my mom. But I also learned it in sports that I never got into brouhaha was with other people, I could always seem to find a way to get along with folks. And so I think being collaborative was always important. I was always, I think in some ways. Happy. I mean, I generally speaking, I mean there's days before cell phones and all that kind of stuff. But I was generally always in a pretty good mood about things I just didn't wake up in a crabby, grumpy mood. And I didn't take that kind of stuff to work with me. So maybe that was part of it.
Alexis Reid 33:44
Yeah. What do you think was the shift from going from the grumpy kid when you were younger? To somebody who showed up for work feeling happy and wanting to bring other people into that web that you're creating to collaborate?
Peter Savas 34:00
Yeah. Oh, that's a good question. That's a really good question. I think it was just I was very lucky. I think I just I just met some really unbelievable people. And I think, I think a large part of this is maybe a lot of the thing I learned from my mom is, you know, we're not entitled to anything. And I think taking the time to earn the respect of these people understanding what they could do for you. But learning to be part of the the overall picture with folks in a way that makes everybody feel good was important. So for me, that was kind of the key.
Alexis Reid 34:46
And I see this so much that young people especially who have relationships with adults, for the adults, respect, encourage and are authentically there for them, that the young people tend to want to show up and do more and do better when they have that relationship. And it sounds like going back to the way your mom was raising you and your brother and sister that, you know, she, she respected you in your curiosity, not just helping you to not only just grow up and be who you were, but really to embody who you were. And sounds like you had a similar respect for her where you both are nurturing and supporting, but also respecting. And it's an interesting combination and interaction that I think is so important that a lot of adults, especially in this world, where everybody's so anxious about things and worried that they feel like they need to control a situation or a person or an interaction, that I think a lot gets missed. And just kind of like allowing for something to unfold with mutual respect, support, and encouragement, which it sounds like there's so many opportunities for you to have people in your life to do this.
Peter Savas 36:01
Right. I think there really are, I think that it's a mindset. I really do. I think that you I think what our mom did really well was to program us to think that way. And I think that I remember a lot of the young people that people that I grew up with, that's not how they were raised. And I think she was kind of a special, special woman actually.
Gerald Reid 36:30
And that's, that's beautiful. I mean, you know, when you think about love and respect, you know, you give it you get it, and like, that's what makes the world go round. You know, I found in my life, like, you know, you really have respect both ways people want to help. Maybe not everybody, you know, some people, they don't have it in them, but like, people really want to help someone that they respect. And, you know, I feel that way now, too, you know, even in supervising students. We interviewed again, that the hockey player, one of the best hockey teams in the country, and she said very bluntly, we respect the coach, and the coach respects us, and we both want to uphold that responsibility of respect. And that's a big part of the success of the team.
Peter Savas 37:16
Yep. Yeah, well, it's all part of it. It really is, I think that the lessons that we learned in sports from appreciating our teammates, and appreciating what their unique skills are, and whatnot is so critical, and it all applies to work.
Gerald Reid 37:33
But I think I think it really, it's contagious, and someone has to spark it. You know, I dont think it's something that just happens out of the blue. And, you know, it sounds like your mom in some way started it, you brought it on, and people in your life, you know, I think it's a leadership thing, in a lot of ways like to be a leader is you got to do that for people, and to step up and do it. And then you hope that someone else takes that torch and carries it forward. It's what else we have in this life other than to have leadership like that, you know, and hope someone continues to get the man and incredible thing that can happen. And it's great to hear that story from you.
Peter Savas Sure.
Alexis Reid 38:11
So I think also, with that aspect of leadership, I think there's, you know, there's training programs, and motivational speakers and masters and leadership and whatever you can pursue or pay for. But I think, you know, to your point, really understanding and learning what leadership is, and how to show up is something that really comes from within an appreciation from the opportunity and you know, as challenging as it must have been, to grow up grieving the loss of your father, which I don't think ever really goes away. Across the lifetime. I think there's always that that sense of loss. But I think it's also probably instilled in you an appreciation for the opportunities that you have that when you show up, you really show up and take advantage of it.
Peter Savas 39:02
Right. So there are some of us thinking about other stories that might be fun for your listeners that sort of follow on to that theme. And so I think I mentioned that I left Bristol Myers to go work for this little company, right, right. outside of Boston. And there's a there's, there's something very cool that happened. And I think a large part of this there was there was I don't know, are you familiar with a little engine that could? That was my mom's favorite thing to talk about was The little engine that could and I remember when I went to join this, this little company, just outside of Boston, and they had the, as this was a sales position and they asked me, they said we have lots of open territories. And I said, Well, okay, and they said, which one would you like? And they named all them different geographically quickly and I said, Well, I'd actually like to take over the worst performing territory that you have. And they said, really? I said, Yeah. And they had five divisions. And I said, so I would like to take the worst performing territory and the worst performing division. And the guy that ran the whole thing said, why I said, well, because it's a lot easier to show an improvement over something that's doing terrible than it is take something that is doing well and make it just a little incrementally better.
And so they had, they've made my wish come true. They gave me the Washington, DC territory of Washington, Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina. And I had no idea what I was doing. But I understood the technology that they had to sell. And I put together a plan this be for another session. But turns out 14 months after I started, the territory went from the poorest performing territory to the best performing territory in the company. And they were all excited. And it turns out that they were looking for a sales manager for the poorest performing division. Now, here, I was maybe 24-25, something like this. And they had I said, Well, why don't you give me the job? And I mean, most people wouldn't have done that. And they looked at me like, why are you stupid? Here, you're in your mid 20s. And you've been in the sales position for a year. I said, Well, why not? And they said, Well, I said, nevermind. I'll be back.
So I was visiting the offices up here in Boston. So I was visiting, I was staying at a hotel. And this was before computers. So I went back to my hotel room with a pad of paper and a pencil. And I stayed up all night, I went, I went back and wrote what I would do if I was the sales manager for this division. And I wrote up this entire plan. And I finished it at six in the morning, I took a shower, and I went back to the office. And I put this thing on my boss's desk, and I said, so this is why I think you should make me the head of the whole thing. It didn't take me a month to write a business plan. Took me 12 hours.
When I wrote this plan, and my boss looked at me and he said, I'll read it and get back to you. Well, I'm going to be leaving in like a day or two. But he said, No, he said, I'll do it now. So next thing, you know. He, he walked into my cubicle sitting out in the cubicle, and he said, interesting what you've written? I said, Yep, so do I get the job? He said, Well, okay, I think you should go talk to the head of marketing. Alright, so I walked down to the head of marketing's office, knock knock knock on the door. And he had a copy of what I had written. And he asked me a bunch of questions. And that weht for a while. And I said, so do I get a job or not and he said, Well, we think you need to go talk to the CEO. I said, okay, so fearless. So I went down the hall and walked in the CEOs office, and he had a copy of what I run. And Xerox machines did exist then. And, we got to talking for a little while. And he said, Well, I don't know. I said, Well, what? He said, Well, I think you ought to go talk to the chairman of the board. And I though, Good Lord.
So I went down to the chairman's office, I walked into his office, and he had a copy of this thing. And we talked for a little while. And he said, This is all great. He said, But the guy who's your current bosses, the decision maker position, got to report Tim's why he got talked to him. So I went back and I couldn't find him. And I looked and I looked, I couldn't find it. But then I thought I had to rent a car. So went to find the keys to my rental car. So I could head back to Washington. And I couldn't find that. Well, it turns out, he had the keys. And he threw them at me, and he said, You got the job. And I couldn't believe it. I had the job. But I panicked. Because as I got on the plane, I thought to myself, I don't know what I'm doing. I have like no idea. On the other hand, I didn't know how to be a sales rep either. But that had worked.
And so I decided I was an unconscious competent, and that what I needed was to understand what I had done right, that worked that so that I could teach the people that were going to be reporting to me I had about a dozen direct reports. And so I actually went to figure out who teaches courses on how to manage people and salespeople and that sort of thing. And I I took a course offered by Xerox one offer by IBM and one offered by Wilson learning And I settled in on the one by Wilson learning and they had a couple programs. And I wound up taking the Salesforce that I took over and got all of them trained on that course.
And a year later, we went from being the poorest performing division to the number one division. And at that point, they asked me if I would take over North American business operations. And then a year later, they put me in charge of worldwide business operations.
Alexis Reid
And this is all in your 20s.
Peter Savas Yes, all in my 20s, and it was all thanks to these really unbelievably encouraging people. But it was also just having confidence in yourself. Also, learning to ask questions, and to listen and establishing, as you've pointed out before, the right culture, yeah,
Gerald Reid 45:45
that's important. I started throughout your life. But you just said something so important, because when you enter into uncertainty, and you don't know what you're doing, as you said, you are very resourceful. And I think that's a great lesson for the listeners and the young people we work with is, you can be afraid and still use your resources and a resource could be asking you a question. You just said that yourself, try to ask good questions to figure out what to do not be afraid to ask questions. We work a lot of people who are so perfectionistic they're afraid to ask for help. And afraid to ask questions, afraid to admit something they don't know or to figure it out. And I think you're a great example of that, too, to navigate that.
Peter Savas 46:25
Well, it's Yeah, I think you're right, Jerry, I think that. But I think if I was to look back on my career, through today, the thing that I'm most happy about or most proud about is, are the people that I've found, and, and I've found some incredible folks.
And what I've learned is that I did figure out very quickly that I actually report to them. That how I live my life, when all these years that I was running businesses was that I would wake up and think about what are the three things I can do to help this guy do better, or that woman do better or whatever it happened to be. And so it was, it really was a lot of work, making sure you had the right person doing the right job with the right roles and responsibilities the right way at the right time. And, and I think that's such an a fundamentally key part of being a leader is really to take that role as serious as possible, to be one of a teacher and to be a coach and to be a mentor. So all the people who would coach me, will now the shoe’s on the other foot. And now it's my job to coach these folks. And to figure out what are the things that I could do to help this person over here achieve. And the thrill for me to see somebody from one of my operations, stand up and get an award was the best feeling in the whole-wide world. Well, I didn't need to get any awards. But it was to see people that that I had, you know, either found or helped develop, accomplish great things. That's a real thrill.
Alexis Reid 48:04
It's the best part about working with and helping others.
Peter Savas 48:07
It really is. It's just totally thrilling.
Alexis Reid 48:10
Yeah, it's so interesting. Jerry, I guess none of this was really intentional. But I guess it comes down to the theme of this whole season is about seeking and searching for our own version of excellence. And, you know, Rosie, who we recorded with, for our last episode, talked about this idea of like showing up and faking it till you make it. Right. And sometimes you know, what you're supposed to be doing, but you might not have those skills yet. But if you can show up with these other characteristics, like you've been describing of, you know, really looking out for others, growing a team that's not only going to support themselves, but support each other and to help you to work towards your goal and finding what's going to nurture and strengthen their skill set.
While you know, really looking forward to the future, instead of just exactly where you are. There's something to be said about being mindful being present, but then also, in a lot of the endeavors that you've taken on and you've described, it's a lot of forward thinking of how can we work to improve? And it's, you know, it's been to your benefit, I would imagine, but it wasn't intended that way, it doesn't sound like it wasn't like I need to do better.
It's like, How can I help this organization, this division, these people to improve? And I think that's such a beautiful thing, you know, going back to this idea of faking it to make it even before our first episode of this season. Jelani who's a Broadway actor, was talking about when he auditions, he's got these skills, he's got these things that he's offering, but it comes down to what you said. It's like the right place the right time, the right role, but you're also, you know, showcasing a part of yourself. It's not just your skills. It's also what you bring to the opportunity or the situation that part of you is really what brings everything together. And I think, in Jerry and my work, we really help people to see that side of them that sometimes they lose sight of, or maybe they haven't recognized yet. And forming that identity and having the opportunity to take risks, I think is all part of that process.
Peter Savas 50:18
Well, speaking of taking risks, I can tell a little bit of a story about a really huge risk. Yeah, please, that paid off and I think but there's, there's a little bit of a formula here. And so you mentioned at the outset, I'm CEO of a company called Like Minds, this is I think it's my ninth CEO role. So I've been doing this a pretty long time. But I'm not a career biotech guy, Like Minds is a biotech related company. But how I got into it was kind of by totally by chance. And again, it's the sort of thing that's actually at the time, most people thought it was a really scary movie, but or maybe I was just too dumb to realize how scary it was. But somebody really important to me, was a woman we refer to as our aunt Katie, in the mid 90s, developed a tremor disorder that got worse and worse and worse, to the point that she could barely write. Couldn't really hold a cup of coffee.
And it was kind of sad to see all this happen. And in 2000, she was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. And, and when I went to visit, it was sad. And what she was doing was crushing up her pills and sprinkling the powder into, into her drink into her juice. And I asked why. And she said, Well, if I take the whole pill, I can't stop moving. If I don't take the pill, I can't move. And so this was her way of, of titrating, the medicine over the course of the day and whatnot. But that, of course, didn't work at night, was a bit of a problem. And it was sad to see. And I said, Well, I said, I think we need to have a better answer than this
And I had no idea what I was signing up for. And this coming from the guy that was not even close to being successful at Bristol Myers, a couple of decades before, but it was personal. And I thought, well, how can we solve the problem. And the idea was to provide a drug to make a drug product that could effectively keep her drug levels at the right level all day long, all night, long, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That was the challenge. And of course, I had made a promise that I would do this. And so I did a little research and I found a company in Richmond, Virginia, of all places, would not have been the first place I would have thought about. And there were three scientists there who were brilliant, and they had a molecule that seemed like it could be good for treating Parkinson's disease, it also seemed like a molecule that could be formulated to be delivered through a patch using a transdermal patch. And then the drug would be absorbed to the skin over the course of the day.
But there were some problems. Number one, the company was not in a biotech hub, so it was difficult to get money there. Number two, they were broke. So they were on the brink of bankruptcy. Number three, they didn't have much, they only had two years left on their patents, which makes it very difficult to finance and venture world. So those are kind of the things you don't want. I didn't care. So I'm gonna go back to the kid that ripped up the kitchen, I suppose. But I didn't care. This was a personal battle for me. And I went to visit the company and I talked with the scientists and the board. And they were so desperate that they said, Well, do you want to be the CEO of this thing? And I said, Sure. So that's the epitome of desperation, because I had never done biotech and, and you know, 90% of biotech projects fail.
Alexis Reid 54:13
It also sounds like it came full circle, right? Going back to that inner chemistry of yourself when you're younger and having to be a part of the process.
Peter Savas 54:21
It does, it does. And so, so what was kind of funny was, I thought, well, now how am I going to succeed at this? And so be careful what you wish for. And so in the first quarter of 2001, I took over as the CEO of the company, and I thought there's got to be a formula. And so I'm gonna go back to my training as an analytic chemist. We'll create a formula. So what do you have to have you have to have the best and brightest people. They have to be personally motivated to do what you want to do? They have to have access in my opinion to unlimited capital, and they have to have access to the best and brightest brains for advice, and if you could, if you could put all that together, it would work. And so that was my plan.
And, and I read that a guy named Paul Greenguard, had won the Nobel Prize for his work in Parkinson's disease. And he was in New York. And he had an office on the ninth floor of the Rockefeller in the city, so I went to New York and unannounced, I went to the University, went to the ninth floor, showed up at his office with one of the scientists from the company. And we got to talking and by the end of that discussion, he agreed to become the brain science advisor. So now we have this Nobel Prize winner, as an advisor to the science team. And I asked this guy Greenguard. I said, So Paul, who's the best drug developer, you know, because I put her I know about it. Well, sir, James Clack, Jim Black is a Nobel Laureate for developing beta blockers, one of the biggest drugs of all time. Do you know am I sure? Do I? Can you get him on the phone? Sure. So he got Jim Clack on the phone. And I got to talk to Jim and he was in London. And I said, if I fly to London, would you spend some time with me? And he agreed.
And so I jumped on a plane, I flew to London, I spent the day with Jim Clack. And sure enough, he agreed to be my, my drug development advisor, so that he could help the science team speak all different language than certainly I do. And then there's a scientist at MIT, who is absolutely brilliant, who I knew named Bob Langer, who was one of the best scientists in the world period. He is the most patented scientist of all time. So he knows all about patent development. And he certainly is one of the best scientists in the world at drug delivery. And so I went to talk to Bob and I asked if he would, you know, help a little bit and give some advice. He said, Sure. So so what we wound up doing was put together this incredible advisory team, a Dream Team, it really was a dream team.
And so the next issue was money. Like, how are you going to pay for this thing? Because raising money for something like this is almost impossible, when you only have two years left on the patents, no matter how clever you think you are about building out a patent estate. And I thought, well, how am I going to raise the money. And when I had been hired, as the CEO of the company had a banker, whose job was to go raise five to $8 million. And what I was told was, that wouldn't be enough money that we had to have more money than that.
So I thought, well, I have to, I have to get more money than this. How am I going to do this? And I thought, well, what if I just talked to investors who have a personal interest in the space. And what I wound up doing was I went down the list of all these venture funds. And I got to talking to the venture funds, and I decided I would only talk to the funds, or I'd primarily talk to the funds, who were being run by someone whose family had been affected by Parkinson's, that who, who cared about more than just making more money, who actually took an interest in what I was doing what we're trying to do, and that I knew if I picked up the phone and call they’d answer, and lo and behold, I was supposed to raise five to $8 million. And on the third quarter of 2001, I closed on $45 million. And we have 12 employees, which meant that there was never a question about money. Wow. So whatever experiment they wanted to do, we had the capital to do it. We didn't have to go stop everything and go find the money. The money was there.
So the ingredients were best and brightest players doing the work, which these guys were unbelievable. Unbelievable advisors. Fantastic. We had a very good board of directors was absolutely fantastic. We had investors, we had plenty of money, but it came from investors who had a personal interest. And so if we ever needed to make a network connection or something, we could pick up the phone and get the help. It was unbelievable. And when everybody said we'd fail, we did ultimately we did we did succeed. We sold the company and the products on the market today. And it treats millions of people around the world for Parkinson's and the restless legs.
Alexis Reid 59:23
Absolutely incredible.
Gerald Reid 59:24
Wow, those those cabinets really came together nicely.
(laughter)
Peter Savas 59:31
I guess I did.
Gerald Reid 59:33
Holy cow. Yeah. Yeah, that really happened. That's unbelievable. It's like the same exact thing you did when you were a kid. Like let's just see what's possible and make it happen.
(laughter)
Alexis Reid 59:48
I have to also add that on top of these incredible accomplishments that not only helped to move your professional career in a wonderful direction To be all the help so many others that you were working with, and then also who benefit from a drug like this. But also you raised a family that was quite substantial it wasn't just like you had one child.
Peter Savas 1:00:15
So, yeah, so because I was interested in the Parkinson space on your head, a little humor to this. You know, I, as soon as I got involved in this site, Michael J. Fox, of course, is a huge name of this. And he was absolutely determined to make a difference in this space. And, and I was, I really, really, really enjoyed connecting with him in New York, I went to do some fundraisers. And he ultimately convinced me to do some fundraisers with some other people. And one of them was with a guy named Robin Williams and Robin had Parkinson's disease. And as you later monitor both Louis body dementia, but we did a fundraiser and together with the first one that we did anyway, and so now to your point about my family, so the first time I met him, I had no idea what to expect. But I knew a couple things I knew I knew number one that I had to go first, there's no way in the world you can go on stage after Robin Williams.
(laughter)
Peter Savas 1:01:24
So we sat in a little room for about half an hour, we got to talking about things. And he asked questions about my background, my experience, my family. And then of course, the show started and I went out, I did my boring talk. And then I was done. And when I got finished with it, he he walked out and he, he said now he said, I'd like to have an extra special round of applause for my co host this evening. He said, Look at this guy. Is it does he look very special to you? He does not look special to me, he said, but he's married to this absolutely beautiful, wonderful woman. And he said, then the two of them had six kids and seven and a half years. He said what we want to know is didn't you people have a TV? I said, yes, we did. He said, we just want to know what you were watching on that TV is what we want to know. Anyway, it was my first experience with Robin Williams. But yeah, we have. My wife works for one of the world's most incredible brain scientists at MIT Ann Graybeal. And it runs in the family. And two of our two of our kids were nurses at Lunder seven neuro unit at Mass General Hospital. So we're, we're pretty interested in the space by up six kids 30/31 to 24.
Alexis Reid 1:02:38
And you're one of the most dedicated present fathers that I've ever met. And I really appreciate that very much.
Peter Savas I do try.
Alexis: Well, for your children, who hopefully will be listening. He talks about you all the time. It's wonderful to get to know you through your dad. So that's a wonderful thing.
Gerald Reid 1:03:00
So did you learn your dad jokes from Robin Williams?
Peter Savas 1:03:04
No, he was, you know what, I don't know how this guy did it. I don't know. He was so quick and so fast. So, I know, it takes me forever to figure these things out.
Alexis Reid 1:03:14
Well, you did promise at least one before we finish our episodes.
Peter Savas 1:03:17
Yeah, I could. I could. Well, I like to do the ones that I make up myself as opposed to the ones online because if I do jokes that are online, my kids can find them. So I've learned that's not the thing to do. So and so let me let me ask you, Alexis. Have you ever heard about the nursery rhyme about Mary Had a Little Lamb?
Alexis Reid 1:03:39
Now? You haven't. Sounds familiar. Vaguely.
Peter Savas 1:03:42
Yeah. So while Mary Had a Little Lamb, Its fleece was white as snow snow? Yes. Right. Yes. Right. And everywhere that Mary went the lamb was sure to
Alexis: go.
Peter Savas
That's right. And do you know where they went? Where did they go? They went to watch YouTube videos.
Peter Savas 1:04:04
I'm so sorry.
Alexis: I wasn’t expecting that
Gerald Reid 1:04:11
I know, I know. It's this is a taste of what Peter's like to have in the office. He's such a great presence and to wrap it around full circle. You know, the people who interact with the at the office space who are not even part of your company. They're just around the Your presence is wonderful to have and we appreciate you.
Alexis Reid 1:04:30
And I think, going back to what we said about the work that you did and how much energy and effort and focus you put in everything. The piece of joy in this refreshing aura that you bring into every day, I think is really such a beautiful thing and an inspiration for so many, certainly an inspiration for us because sometimes days get busy and heavy and stuff comes up and to share a piece of candy or your wife's delicious balaclavas, or a joke in passing, I think sometimes makes all the difference. And Ollie helps too, because he's always around.
Peter Savas 1:05:06
Pleasure. Thank you.
Gerald Reid 1:05:08
We're so happy to have you here today and to be part of this reconnected podcast and we know for sure that you know, elements of your stories will inspire and be a support to other people.
Peter Savas 1:05:19
Well, thank you. Thank you both very much. Been a lot of fun.
Alexis Reid 1:05:21
Thanks, Peter.
Gerald Reid
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In this episode, Alexis Reid and Dr. Gerald Reid are joined by Peter Savas, the CEO of LikeMinds, a brain health company in Boston, MA. Peter shares his lifelong journey that laid the path and foundation to build and lead companies and ultimately seek to address Parkinson's Disease (and others). Peter discusses how his experiences, relationships, and internal growth played a significant role in his development starting in childhood. We are honored for Peter, who is beloved by so many in the office space he shares, to join us and share his stories.
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